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Defcon 18 Changing threats to privacy Moxie Marlinspike Part

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What it is

Moxie Marlinspike's DEF CON 18 talk on changing threats to privacy argues that surveillance arrived through convenient services and network effects, so opting out is not a real solution. It also includes his framing of getting social democracy rather than the fascism people feared.

Why Hacker News recommends it

Cited repeatedly to rebut 'just don't use Facebook' arguments and to explain why tracking becomes hard to escape at critical mass.

  • 6 people recommended it
  • 10 different months
  • 4 strong recommendations
  • first 2012, last 2019

What HN commenters said

  1. “At least, that's what I gleaned from this wonderful video[1]”

    Explains OTR's deniability advantage over PGP signatures

    losvedir, 2012-12 · Strong recommendation · in “Steps to Anonymous and Secured Communication”

  2. “Moxie Marlinspike gave a fantastic talk on this subject in 2010”

    Fantastic talk on public-private surveillance and tracking devices

    yourcelf, 2013-08 · Strong recommendation · in “The Public-Private Surveillance Partnership”

  3. “I would highly encourage anyone who thinks that the solution is as simple as "don't use XYZ" to see what Moxie Marlinspike had to say”

    Explains why simply avoiding a service is not a real privacy solution

    CodeMage, 2013-11 · Strong recommendation · in “Surveillance as a Business Model”

  4. “It is articulated quite well here”

    Articulates why tracking becomes hard to escape at critical mass

    jiggy2011, 2012-11 · Recommendation · in “I Don't Want To Be Part of Your Ecosystem”

  5. “He talks about how we do not really have a free choice when it comes to things like having a Facebook account or having a mobile phone.”

    Argues network effects remove real choice about using Facebook or a mobile phone

    lucb1e, 2013-12 · Recommendation · in “Facebook's AI lab”

  6. “Here's a relevant talk [0] by Moxie Marlinspike talking about that.”

    Talk on the social alienation of declining to use dominant services

    sygma, 2016-09 · Recommendation · in “Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany”

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Topics: privacy, surveillance, network effects, moxie marlinspike, defcon, tracking

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